Upstream costs double, but downstream companies dare not raise prices by a penny. Why? When customers hear the word "price increase," they turn and walk away. This kind of helplessness caught in the middle has recently been vividly played out in the lithium carbonate market.
Looking at the futures market, the price of lithium carbonate skyrockets, hitting new highs every day. But turning to the performance of mining companies' stocks, they are sluggish, with weak gains. This contrast confuses many—shouldn't the logic be like this?
Actually, it's very normal. The futures market, to put it simply, is just capital in rotation, chasing each other. Real-world transactions are different—they require face-to-face negotiations for every deal.
Energy storage is now extremely hot, but why? Because lithium was cheap a while ago, batteries were cheap, and users found it cost-effective. Now, with lithium prices artificially pushed up, battery costs also rise, and finally users realize—how many years will it take for this equipment to recoup through electricity savings? If this arithmetic can't be solved, demand instantly returns to the starting point.
This is a true reflection of price transmission: from upstream to downstream, it cannot be fully transferred immediately; it takes time to digest, and the market's psychological capacity is also needed.
The capital market has a classic evolution chain, repeatedly proven: Gold → Silver → Copper → Oil → Agriculture.
Gold first stirs, reflecting panic and expectations about the future. Silver follows closely, indicating funds are starting to flow from the financial sector into the real economy. When copper rises, factory furnaces truly ignite, confirming economic recovery. Then, oil—the "industrial blood"—begins to surge wildly, and inflation expectations are officially laid out. Finally, costs for fertilizers, agricultural machinery, and transportation all rise, and the fire will eventually reach every household's dining table—pork, grains, vegetables—all cannot escape.
Where is lithium carbonate currently positioned? It is at this critical "copper" node—rising amidst hesitation.
One leg has already stepped out, but the other is still probing downstream demand responses. It is waiting—waiting for oil to truly surge, waiting for all commodities to be forced to raise prices, waiting for everyone to become numb to price increases. Only then will its spring truly arrive.
And now? Just the prelude. The bullets still need to fly a little longer.
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SeasonedInvestor
· 2025-12-26 21:35
I get this logic. Futures are just capital getting excited; in reality, anyone who dares to cut the client will run away.
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BridgeTrustFund
· 2025-12-26 14:19
The disconnect between futures and spot markets—this kind of play has long been seen in the crypto world, retail investors only believe futures can represent the true price haha
Wait, does this logic mean lithium will continue to rise? Then the energy storage sector might be cooling off
Middlemen are the worst off, squeezed from both sides, feeling as awkward as last year's chip shortage
The chain of gold, silver, copper, oil, and agriculture—lithium carbonate is really stuck at a critical point, quite interesting
The lag in price transmission—that's why many people make money on futures but lose on the spot
Downstream demand is the real key; even if futures keep rising, if battery installation rates can't keep up, it's all for nothing
Your analysis has some substance, but it seems someone will still have to pay the price for this wave of price increases
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SelfSovereignSteve
· 2025-12-25 05:47
Futures trading is fundamentally different from real-world trading; it's just capital self-indulgence.
Dare you add even a penny? Then just wait to be eaten away by profits, middlemen suffer the most.
If lithium prices keep rising, can energy storage demand drop from its peak? That's when the joke will be on you.
Real trading has to consider ROI; if you can't calculate it, accounts and users will turn away. Futures K-line charts are useless.
When inflation fully spreads, everything will be more expensive—who still cares about that penny?
I agree with the term "prelude"; for now, it's just capital bouncing around.
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SerNgmi
· 2025-12-25 05:38
Futures are in idle mode, while spot is awkwardly dancing. Who's data is really accurate?
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ApeWithNoFear
· 2025-12-25 05:37
The tricks used in futures trading are indeed deceptive. When it comes down to actual implementation, the true nature is revealed, and clients are gone once they settle the accounts.
Upstream costs double, but downstream companies dare not raise prices by a penny. Why? When customers hear the word "price increase," they turn and walk away. This kind of helplessness caught in the middle has recently been vividly played out in the lithium carbonate market.
Looking at the futures market, the price of lithium carbonate skyrockets, hitting new highs every day. But turning to the performance of mining companies' stocks, they are sluggish, with weak gains. This contrast confuses many—shouldn't the logic be like this?
Actually, it's very normal. The futures market, to put it simply, is just capital in rotation, chasing each other. Real-world transactions are different—they require face-to-face negotiations for every deal.
Energy storage is now extremely hot, but why? Because lithium was cheap a while ago, batteries were cheap, and users found it cost-effective. Now, with lithium prices artificially pushed up, battery costs also rise, and finally users realize—how many years will it take for this equipment to recoup through electricity savings? If this arithmetic can't be solved, demand instantly returns to the starting point.
This is a true reflection of price transmission: from upstream to downstream, it cannot be fully transferred immediately; it takes time to digest, and the market's psychological capacity is also needed.
The capital market has a classic evolution chain, repeatedly proven: Gold → Silver → Copper → Oil → Agriculture.
Gold first stirs, reflecting panic and expectations about the future. Silver follows closely, indicating funds are starting to flow from the financial sector into the real economy. When copper rises, factory furnaces truly ignite, confirming economic recovery. Then, oil—the "industrial blood"—begins to surge wildly, and inflation expectations are officially laid out. Finally, costs for fertilizers, agricultural machinery, and transportation all rise, and the fire will eventually reach every household's dining table—pork, grains, vegetables—all cannot escape.
Where is lithium carbonate currently positioned? It is at this critical "copper" node—rising amidst hesitation.
One leg has already stepped out, but the other is still probing downstream demand responses. It is waiting—waiting for oil to truly surge, waiting for all commodities to be forced to raise prices, waiting for everyone to become numb to price increases. Only then will its spring truly arrive.
And now? Just the prelude. The bullets still need to fly a little longer.